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Post by remoalan on Nov 24, 2008 4:42:34 GMT
Hi this is my first visit to this site i live in Australia but i come from barnet in herts , i normaly go on banjohangout but get fed up with the treatment of pat costello i am hoping this is a more friendly site pat has made learning the banjo a lot easier and his enthusiasm for passing on his knowledge is great
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Post by Danny on Nov 24, 2008 11:32:25 GMT
Hi alan, welcome aboard. I too abandoned banjo hangout, hope you enjoy yourself here
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Post by lurcherlad on Jan 11, 2009 21:45:23 GMT
I regularily "use" BHO- and frankly I'm mystified at how things get blown up and distorted on these internet forum's.
I merely want to learn more tunes and enjoy playing the Banjo as much as I can.
I came across Pat's site initially and found it really helpful and looked forward to lots more interaction when he appeared on BHO- but and I have no axe to grind here I found him generally to be at the very least provocative and often just downright rude-He seemed to have a very egoistic opinion that his way was right and anybody else's opinion was either flawed or to be picked apart.
This was a real shame as he is undoubtedly is a great musician -I suppose for me it was a case of the reality proving a little less interesting than the image.
I would also add that I did e-mail his site to ask a couple of question's about why he felt the need to be deliberately rude but strangely these weren't posted or replied to-unlike messages of support...
As I said earlier-I had no axe to grind but sometimes I do feel its necessary to put both sides of the story over.
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Post by Danny on Jan 11, 2009 23:41:34 GMT
Lurcherlad
This is an open forum, and you're welcome to air your views, but I DO find it curious that you and me have such very different experiences of Patrick and Banjo Hang Out, let's be honest here, their are a LOT of people on BHO who turn VERY nasty when either A./ Disagreed with, or B./ Patricks name even threatens to blow along on the wind.
It seems to me that Patrick teaches a more 'open' (for want of a better word) style of banjo playing, and that at times DEEPLY infuriates the 'old timers' (nothing wrong with that as a by the by) but they seem to be incapable of realising that Patrick is teaching an instrument, not a style.
I'll be the first to add that i'm a good friend of Patrick and his dad, but only via their interweb teachings, the friendship came latter, so I think I can speak with SOME (if not a a TOTAL amount of) impartiality here
Danny
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Post by foxfireguitar on Jan 12, 2009 4:21:26 GMT
I was just visiting this site again and to my delight found more information about the Anglo-German Concertina. The English Concertina players were given much better press coverage because of course the instrument they were playing cost so much more. It is an interesting history and an observation can be made in comparing the polarization of the players of Old Time music on banjohangout and the clawhammer style players on Dobro33H. The only thing I can say to the Old Time players is that I don't think my playing an old song clawhammer will corrupt it's legacy. As a matter of fact I would think the more people we have playing that song at all 100 years later attest to it's appeal today. If it has changed so before it got to me it may be those changes that allowed it to appeal to me. Perhaps just as it was played way back wouldn't do a thing for me. Take any popular song from 30 years ago and see how many different interpretations you get and did you even like the original when you finally heard it?
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2009 13:46:33 GMT
A song is never gonna be the same twice, even if it's played by the same person, it's gotta change to evolve, or music as a whole will stagnate and die
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Post by lurcherlad on Jan 12, 2009 18:23:38 GMT
Hi Danny-Re your points-I think its really useful not to confine yourself to one genre within any style of playing and getting a good grounding in a broad musical base will give you a bit more versatility as a musician-I'm just getting into some of the cracking easten european tunes and different timings as a clawhammer player.
I think its inevitable that any site with a large membership will have a few people who can be awkward to deal with but I also think its important to remember that Pat was posting on threads started by someone else with a specific question-and his input fairly quickly de-generated into offensive and occasionally derogatory replies- even to experienced and very well respected musician's and unconfrontational member's such as R.D Lunceford -to the extent that they basically stopped even trying to engage with him.
I know this is maybe hard for you as a friend to read but-as a neutral observer I think it's important that both side's are put to any discussion and I for one would have much preferred things to have developed differently so that everyone could'v benefited from Pat's undoubted enthusiasm and talent.
I would also add that music is a journey that changes all of us and each of us play's a tune slightly differently-old time on a hurdy gurdy sounds great!-I would also add that of all the old time player's I'v met not one has ever said that there is a definitive or right way to play a tune. Some people will really try for a paticular sound they may have heard from a paticular player-but that's not the same as insisting it's all played exactly the same.
Andy
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2009 18:33:45 GMT
Hi Andy
I agree with you about a broad musical style, I started out with heavy metal and now play folk and country, via blues, rock n roll and quite a bit else, it's all good experience and perfectly valid.
Patrick can, I agree, come across as very abrasive on banjo hangout, but I think that's partly down to a defence mechanism cos of how he's been treated their before (Once bitten twice shy so to speak). And as for the other peoples threads, chances are he was trying to help answer their question and it went on from their like it always does when Patrick and BHO get together. They're kinda like oil and water, they just don't mix no matter how hard ya try.
I know what you mean about 'trying for a sound' That's what I do certainly, I think that's all any of us can do really.
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Post by georgiaguy on Jan 13, 2009 2:44:51 GMT
Hi this is my first visit to this site i live in Australia but i come from barnet in herts , i normaly go on banjohangout but get fed up with the treatment of pat costello i am hoping this is a more friendly site pat has made learning the banjo a lot easier and his enthusiasm for passing on his knowledge is great Agreed. Patrick and DoD certainly have a very open and welcome method of teaching. |
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