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Post by craftsman on Mar 25, 2008 20:19:22 GMT
Be honest, which one do you feel most comfortable with ?
Please leave an explanation if you have a strong feeling on the subject!
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Post by Danny on Mar 26, 2008 10:23:13 GMT
Nice idea for a Post Andrew. I started out with my index finger, via a David Holt DVD, but soon went over too my middle finger after running into Pat and Patrick's website. (This was back in the howandtao.com days) I can still frail with my index finger, but not as well, I only do that if I've cut my middle finger or something.
I find the hand rests in a more natural position when frailing that way.
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Post by craftsman on Mar 26, 2008 13:50:00 GMT
Hi Danny,
I try to use my middle finger but it leaves my index finger waving about ... which then usually tries to make it back to the fretboard!
I tried the Holt thing. (On homespun DVD) I like his approach and jaunty presentation, but I never felt I had been 'taught' anything.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Post by Danny on Mar 26, 2008 13:58:07 GMT
For the most part I just let my index finger stick out, with the thumb up it's kinda like making a gun when you were a kid ya know.
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Post by mark on Mar 27, 2008 18:43:08 GMT
I voted three ways: Middle, Index and Other.
I mainly use my middle but occasionally I use the index for a different tone. I also sometimes use a combination of middle and index together especially if drop-thumbing (middle on 1st / 2nd string, index on 3 & 4 dependant on where the thumb is dropping to next). It's not something I do often but it is a technique I am trying to get to grips with! I also on occasion use a plastic dobro pick, re-shaped, filed down and thinned, worn backwards on my middle finger. This helps give a loud, very bright / cutting tone, almost bluegrassy (but not as harsh as metal picks). I also use this custom pick if my nail becomes damaged.
Just a side query to those who index .. If you were inclined can you "Cluck"? I am aware there are several ways to achieve the effect but IMHO by far the easiest is to follow a middle strike but an index nail mute, something not achievable if you use the index as "the lead" (check out the Dulcijo vid "right hand technique" on ezfolk.com for a demo).
Nice Poll by the way Andrew.
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Post by Danny on Mar 27, 2008 19:59:05 GMT
Oh I've never managed to be able to cluck, I can barely bloody frail
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Post by grandude on Mar 27, 2008 20:43:21 GMT
i think what ever works for you is best
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 27, 2008 20:48:16 GMT
Although I´cannot do the cluck I think it´s played also by the middle finger and then muted with the third finger. I saw a video by (I think it was) oldwoodchuck, where he explained it pretty clear. Another video about that is www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVqWF_FC554And I do frailing with the middle f. Why? Because HE taught it like this.
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Post by craftsman on Mar 28, 2008 17:34:56 GMT
I voted three ways: Middle, Index and Other. I mainly use my middle but occasionally I use the index for a different tone. I also sometimes use a combination of middle and index together especially if drop-thumbing (middle on 1st / 2nd string, index on 3 & 4 dependant on where the thumb is dropping to next). It's not something I do often but it is a technique I am trying to get to grips with! I also on occasion use a plastic dobro pick, re-shaped, filed down and thinned, worn backwards on my middle finger. This helps give a loud, very bright / cutting tone, almost bluegrassy (but not as harsh as metal picks). I also use this custom pick if my nail becomes damaged. Just a side query to those who index .. If you were inclined can you "Cluck"? I am aware there are several ways to achieve the effect but IMHO by far the easiest is to follow a middle strike but an index nail mute, something not achievable if you use the index as "the lead" (check out the Dulcijo vid "right hand technique" on ezfolk.com for a demo). Nice Poll by the way Andrew. Hi Mark, Thanks for the in-depth response. The only way I can get the cluck is to drop the fleshy part of my hand close to the strings to dampen them. Probably not a true cluck. Andrew
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Post by craftsman on Mar 28, 2008 17:36:39 GMT
Oh I've never managed to be able to cluck, I can barely bloody frail ;D LOL ;D
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Post by Danny on Mar 28, 2008 18:12:50 GMT
well it's true.......... :-(
Nice woodcarving signature thingamabob by the way
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Post by mark on Mar 28, 2008 19:06:08 GMT
Some wise person once said .. there is no right or wrong way to play, it's just what you like and what you dont like. Some folks achieve the same effects using different methods - it's all good.
I still think that if you like that effect Michael's method (shown on the Dulcijo Vids) is very easy to replicate.
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Post by erchieplum on Mar 30, 2008 23:20:56 GMT
I use middle finger because a lot of websites,books told you so, I actually found first finger more comfortable to start with , but stuck with the middle. I have now been trying with first finger again .. occasionally, and find I can get a "stronger" sound with it which sometimes is nice for a change. I normally play quietly as the sound travels through our house and I tend to play late at night so the gentler middle finger sound is fine
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Post by bondolah on Jun 15, 2008 19:32:02 GMT
Middle. But I find striking the fourth string a bit difficult because of the angle of my strike - I never feel I really hit the string as directly as the others. Is that a common issue?
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Post by craftsman on Jun 15, 2008 20:26:46 GMT
Middle. But I find striking the fourth string a bit difficult because of the angle of my strike - I never feel I really hit the string as directly as the others. Is that a common issue? Yeah , I think you are right. Whatever technique I use I seem to miss-hit somewhere. I think its a coordination thing which gets resolved with practice... At least I hope so!!
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